Who am I? What am I? Where am I? Where am I headed to? I really don't know. RNFI. Really No F**king Idea. A cynic, an idealist, a person with ideas, but NATO. Am I? I really don't know. RNFI. Really No F**king Idea.

Saturday, October 15, 2005

PMS

short for Prime Minister Says.

went for the PM Dialogue with Young Singaporeans and PM sure said a lot of things. few observations:

Theoretical Questions

there were many JC students there, of whom many asked questions. but the questions they asked seemed rather scripted, rather... impersonal. there lacked a certain sense of... personal involvement and passion in the questions that they asked. if felt like while they wanted to know the answers to those questions, those questions did not concern them nor were they truly concerned about the questions. they seemed ot have had researched their questions, but yet, their research is from statistics, from what they read in the papers, but very detached from the true gut sentiments from the ground.

Youthful naiveté

then there was this other guy who picked up on PM's answer a question. he was disappointed with PM's answer, saying that it was sending out a signal that we are still being very micro, bothering about the nitty gritties rather than becoming a more gracious society, a more holistically developed society, etc. basically, he felt that we should go all out to take care of people at the fringes. while i agree that we should help those who are at the fringes, i don't agree with the methods he proposed. we have to realise that there are other demands on our resources, other needs that have to be met and fulfilled so we really have to find the most effecient way of doing things. and that was PM's point. but that guy just felt that we were still being too concerned with economics, saying that that was being too concerned with the micro issues. i think it just demonstrated too much naiveté, too little understanding of the challenges it takes to build a viable nation. i also suspect that he's from a relatively well to do background and that he doesn't really know what most people in singapore are like (i.e. thinking that everyone's like him, educated, doing well, having the luxury of not having to wonder about where the next meal will come from, etc). my point being that while we should be idealistic, we should also know what reality is like. and 0nly then can we realise our ideals.

My question

i asked the following question (where i reproduce almost as i asked it): "i think the bloggers who got thrown into prison are stupid. not because of what they said, cos i've not read what they said and hence am in no position to comment. i think they are stupid because they got caught. i mean, they are male singaporeans, must have done NS. how could they have forgotten the golden rule of SAF: do anything you want, don't get caught? of course, i'm only joking. my point is that it seems that we are only abiding by laws because we are afraid of punishment not because it is the right thing to do, that we are being 'racially harmonious' because we don't want to be thrown into prison not because we really respect and understand other races, that we don't say nasty things about our teachers not because we respect them, but because we don't want to be expelled. now i know that it is impossible for a society to be without laws and punishments to enforce these laws. but i think it is possible that we move closer to that state where people do the right things because it is right not out of fear of punishment. so my question is, how can we move towards such a state?"

alas, i asked my question towards the end, when everyone was rushing to ask question and so the point of my question was lost. but it's ok. it got some people thinking. there were even people who came up to me after the session during what was supposed to be dinner to talk to me about my comments. there was this group of JC kids who came around. it started with 2, but then since a lot of the JC kids know one another, the group grew. so it was interesting. was telling them about what i think of education, about being critical, etc etc. and then there were these other people from NUS, Ngee Ann, etc. had some interesting conversation (X, if you are reading this, thanks for the entertaining conversation.)

actually... i've left out most of the details, cos what was discussed is supposed to be confidential. so cannot put here, hence only those things that i said (which i think i can claim the right to repeat) and my observations.

right. sleep time.

9 Comments:

Blogger Beach-yi said...

I hope you were being whimsical wrt the young man (youthful naviete). Afterall, who hasn't been idealistic when younger. I don't really agree on the limited resources part, if resources are so limited why then do I hear conflicting nuggets of information from reliable sources that Singapore is flushed with money? Hmmm. But then this is just a generic response to the vague details that you said wrt the young man's methods.

Your question I take it that it is with regards to a more open society or a more tolerant society? Could be shorter imho since it is at the end of the Q & A.

At the end of the day, suhc sessions are only to let the establishment imprint on young un's minds that there is only one way up and out.

God's in his heaven and all is well with the world.

1:00 AM

 
Blogger rench00 said...

even if singapore is flushed with resources (which i know for a fact it is not), there are still more effecient ways of doing things than what the person suggested. he had good intentions, but lousy ways of implementing it and he demonstrated that he had no sense of what the ground is like (which sounds like what we would complain about most AO's...).

and yes. all of us have been (and might still be) idealistic. but we must back up our idealism with clear understanding of what reality is. otherwise, we just end up doing more harm than good, i.e. doiing something just because it looks good and gives that warm fuzzy feeling rather than because it helps realise our ideals.

lack of details cos the dialogue's a close door one and things said are supposed to be confidential.

no. my question is not about being a more open and tolerant society. it is about being a society of enlightened individuals who do the right things just because it is right, not because of fear of punishment nor a desire to gain utility.

and the question could not have been any shorter. cos i did not only want to ask a question, i wanted to make a point and get people thinking. which i think suceeded, considering the crowd that i drew to come talk to me subsequently, where i got the chance to get some of my views across to them.

and i don't agree that such sessions are to imprint young minds. the actual session itself was to spark discussion, spark thinking, which it did. because the crowd there was already rather critical minded anyways. so i am sure that most of the crowd there would not take what PM says at face value without subjecting it to a hegelian analysis.

i think such sessions are opportunities to let the students know the government's position on some issues which the government might not otherwise reveal. and then to engage in discussion, either with the representatives of the government or with one another.

9:22 AM

 
Blogger Beach-yi said...

Err, I said flush with money. There is a subtle difference between resources and money although they are invariably conflated together mostly.

Can I ask what major did you do in the university? Just curious lah.

9:28 AM

 
Blogger rench00 said...

pa-tor-logy...

ha... i wish.

physics.

2:01 PM

 
Blogger Beach-yi said...

Hey, it's not too far off ya know, here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4144782.stm

6:05 PM

 
Blogger akikonomu said...

Well, having ideals are one thing, but the devil is always in the details!

I hope you meant by "naivete" the misplaced details, and not the ideals?

11:10 PM

 
Blogger rench00 said...

aikikonomu:
you are right. and it's not just the misplaced details, but the complete disregard of it, the "don't know that there's such a thing called details and don't care that i don't know, just want to do something nice that would give me that warm fuzzy feeling" attitude.

11:31 PM

 
Blogger akikonomu said...

"lack of details cos the dialogue's a close door one and things said are supposed to be confidential."

Ah, you just gave the best definition for the Black Hole of Feedback Sessions =\

10:34 AM

 
Blogger garota said...

hey! been a while. interesting post.

i think the biggest factor that disconnects young people from getting the attn of govt is the expectation that young people should know how to run a country. but that is not what young people are claiming.

the value of youth input, besides human time and energy, is the perspective we can give. one that might be different from the majority of (and i say this affectionately) old fogeys running the country. which is why diverse opinions - naïve or not - are healthy and should be encouraged. and if we coalesce it through dialogue, we can get stuff happening.

ps. i disagree with confidentiality of such sessions. (this is not directed at you, of course.) such a blackhole - to use akikonomu's words (and wit!) - does not help to advance, oh, fluffy lofty ideals like, transparency.

2:37 AM

 

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